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03:35 am: Humans are bad
Ever have one of those conversations that go south & end, & you'e not entirely sure why? That just happened.

I do have a general idea of what happened, but the other person didn't stick around to completely resolve things. Maybe it wasn't possible but I still wanted to try. Unfortunately it wasn't a good day for them to begin with. We apparently have varrying viewpoints on humanity as a whole & its abuse of this world. They said I should take responsibility instead of blaming everything on "overpopulation." But I am not responsible and will not take responsibility for war, disease, poverty, &c. The conversation didn't get that far.

Of course, the upset may have been caused by me using the term "crapping out kids" rather than "making babies." In which case, I will take responsibility... tho' not proudly.

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From:laviorli
Date:October 6th, 2005 10:45 am (UTC)
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Well, not to be unduly argumentative but everything’s connected so everyone’s responsible to some degree.
If you want to look at overpopulation look at farm animals, factory farms pollute waterways more than all other industrial sources combined, cause 85 percent of all topsoil erosion, and produce 130 times the excrement of the entire human population. Approximately 1.3 billion (this number is from 1996 so it could be more now) cattle populate the earth at any one time. They exist artificially in these vast numbers to satisfy the excessive human demand for the meat and by-products they provide. Their combined weight exceeds that of the entire human population. By sheer numbers, their consequent appetite for the world's resources, have made them a primary cause for the destruction of the environment. In the US, feedlot cattle yield one pound of meat for every 16 pounds of feed.
You probably can’t stop people from having babies but there are things you can do. And just to add, people who want kids aren’t bad people, after all reproducing is a basic instinct. Who were you talking to anyway?
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From:evil_jim
Date:October 6th, 2005 11:12 am (UTC)
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Reproduction is indeed a basic instinct, but one that is not necessary and can be resisted. Why does Lindsay absolutely HAVE to have her own kid rather than saving one from an an abusive life in a foster home or orphanage?

Fewer humans = smaller demand for natural resources = reduced damage to the Earth's biosphere. I want to nip the problem in the bud. Link: vhemt
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From:crabmoon
Date:October 6th, 2005 12:14 pm (UTC)
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I absolutely HAVE to have my own child because it's an exspierence I that I want. I have no problem adopting the second child, as I want at least two. I would be very very happy adopting a girl from China or any other part of the world. I think that as a whole, yes, humans are over populated, but in some parts of the world humans are on the deline. In some parts the government is actually getting a little scared that there wont be enough people around to take care of the elderly and to live on. Now in India, because China is on the decline there are huge, huge, HUGE problems with way too many people. So I say, if you live in Wisconsin, where it's hardly overpopulated, or ...I think it was Switzerland (not sure) go ahead and have a couple kids, I don't think it will hurt. Or if you're so inclined, adopt. Who were you talking with anyway?
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From:evil_jim
Date:October 6th, 2005 08:33 pm (UTC)
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Ten million new Chinese a year is not a decline.

Stoughton has doubled in size in the past twenty years. Dane county has the densest population in the entire state. And no matter where you live, if you have a couple kids they will be consuming resources for the next 60-75 years. If everyone does this, how long will it be able to last?
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From:laviorli
Date:October 6th, 2005 02:28 pm (UTC)
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Well, it's even less necessary to eat meat, and I notice not a blink to the damage to the Earth's biosphere being caused there. I think you just don't like kids. As Lindsay stated this isn't the area that really needs the help. I'm with her on this one. Having children is a very personal choice and you are welcome to choose not to.
From:renny1780
Date:October 6th, 2005 07:33 pm (UTC)
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He just hasn't found one that he's completely attached to. I don't think he will either...he's too damn stubborn (sorry Jim, but you are!).


I always swore up and down for years and years that I would never, ever have kids because I hated them; they were rotten little shits and so on and so forth. I'm not really sure when that all changed but I think it had to be a combination of working in a day care when I was in college (just for a few days - it was for a project for one of my classes), my surrogate nephews (Daehan and Dalton), and finding out that kids just really seem to like me. Now I can't imagine my life without them. It still doesn't mean I'm going to be having one of my own...I'm not big on pain but it means that kids are going to be part of my life. And not just because I'm a teacher. Even if I never get a teaching job, I still intend to work with kids somehow...


Damn, I talk a lot. I should go away now.
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From:evil_jim
Date:October 6th, 2005 08:42 pm (UTC)
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The point I'm trying to make to you is that fewer people will consume fewer animal products, & their processing, ie. farms, waste treatment plants, &c. will do less environmental damage. Would you rather have a greater percentage of people avoiding meat & such but still creating trash & driving cars and causing pollution, or would it be better to have a smaller percentage of people doing those things overall.

It's true I'm not fond of children, but I also have a low opinion of humanity as a whole.
From:renny1780
Date:October 6th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
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So that's why we all suck...good to know :)
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From:crabmoon
Date:October 6th, 2005 08:51 pm (UTC)
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I'm for a smaller percetile of people. I agree there are too many of us, and yes, because of the baby boom, stoughton as doubled in size. All of the children born between 1945-1960 have all had children, though not as many and there are new jobs and the like, Stoughton is a thriving community. But it has been on booming side for quite some time. You also need to take into account that a lot of new families have moved here. They find it quaint, I'm sure. I try not to have such a negative view of humanity, but sometimes I do find it hard. Just try to remember Jim, you are a human and at one time you were a child and so was I, children are not a new bread, and some of them are unique and wonderful and some of them continue to grow up to be unique and wonderful.
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From:evil_jim
Date:October 6th, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)
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Being inclusive to humanity & having once been a child does not require me to like, accept, or feel kin to all of them. I've washed my hands of this race as a whole, & choose to focus on enriching the lives of those close to me.
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From:crabmoon
Date:October 6th, 2005 08:44 pm (UTC)
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thank you.
From:renny1780
Date:October 6th, 2005 01:50 pm (UTC)
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Glad it wasn't me...I probably would have been yelled at. Then again, I don't necessarily want to have my own kid. Although I have that whole biological clock thing, I'd be perfectly happy adopting a kid from somewhere and/or being a foster parent. But, not yet. I'm not ready for that yet.



That's all I really have to say right now. I've got nothing else. Oh well.
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From:evil_jim
Date:October 6th, 2005 09:16 pm (UTC)
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Thumbs up for adoption! That frees up nearly a year of your life to prepare.
From:renny1780
Date:October 6th, 2005 09:33 pm (UTC)
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That's what I've said for years...and since it takes years to adopt, perhaps I should be starting now so that by the time I'm 40, the process of adoption will be finished and I'll finally have a baby. Hrm.
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